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Re: Calibre question?

Posted: 06 Oct 2017, 16:39
by phoenix
If you really like the 243, then your "good reason" for getting another would simply be as a dedicated NV rifle.
Worked for me with 17HMRs and 22 rfs.

Cheers

Bruce

Re: Calibre question?

Posted: 07 Oct 2017, 19:35
by Chrissmith0881
Think I'm tempted to give a 22-250 a try Bruce!

Re: Calibre question?

Posted: 08 Oct 2017, 01:29
by Mini Magnum
I have used a .243 for years on roe and foxes, great all round calibre, legal on al UK deer species and use 58gr bullets and its as flat as a .22-250, only downside for me is as mentioned, with the recoil you can sometimes lose track on target once a shot has been taken. I bought a .223 in 12 twist, as a dedicated foxing setup, i've been using 40grain max mostly out to 200-250yds and only had one runner that was slightly foul shot, all the rest have all dropped on the spot, using 40gr max theres next to nothing in it between the trajectory of a .204, no recoil, great calibre, wide availability of ammo, love mine.

Re: Calibre question?

Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 07:40
by bryn
I have a 22-250 tikka as a dedicated night vision set up with a drone-pro and it is the most accurate of rifles. I like you had the same dilemma but the thing that swung it for me was the flatter shooting of the 22-250 which at night is a big plus. Don’t be worried about recoil, its a non starter of an argument in that its no different to a 243 and this business about still seeing the fox after the pulling the trigger with a 223 especially a night is a myth.
I say this because my night shooting chum has a 223 and wishes he had gone for the 22-250.
223 will do the job but in my experience 22-250 will do it further especially on a windy night.

bryn

Re: Calibre question?

Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 08:58
by Mini Magnum
A myth ? The recoil difference between a .22-250/ .243 compared to a .223 or similar is huge, it’s flat shooting, light recoil, out to 250yds point and shoot .

All depends on your needs, everyone has a favourite that’s better than the rest, I just can’t get my head round what a .22-250 offers that a .243 doesn’t when choosing a calibre.

Re: Calibre question?

Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 12:55
by phoenix
There's very little difference in the muzzle energy between a 22-250 with a 50gn bullet (1650 ftlbs) and a 243 with a 58gn bullet (1697 ftlbs)
I shoot foxes with a 22-250 T3 Varmint with 50 gn bullets and used to shoot them with a 243 T3 lite and 58gn bullets, but now use the 243 for deer.
There is significantly less felt recoil with the 22-250, but I believe that's virtually all down to the weight difference between the rifles.
The 22-250 is definitely more pleasant to shoot, but I wouldn't want to have to lug it around the hills when stalking.

Cheers

Bruce

Re: Calibre question?

Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 14:53
by Mini Magnum
Heavier and longer barrel has a big impact also on felt recoil, what barrels on the .22-250 Bruce ?

Re: Calibre question?

Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 16:21
by warbucks
bryn wrote:I have a 22-250 tikka as a dedicated night vision set up with a drone-pro and it is the most accurate of rifles. I like you had the same dilemma but the thing that swung it for me was the flatter shooting of the 22-250 which at night is a big plus. Don’t be worried about recoil, its a non starter of an argument in that its no different to a 243 and this business about still seeing the fox after the pulling the trigger with a 223 especially a night is a myth.
I say this because my night shooting chum has a 223 and wishes he had gone for the 22-250.
223 will do the job but in my experience 22-250 will do it further especially on a windy night.

bryn
I shoot 223 with a Drone Pro and i don't always see the fox hit, it not recoil, its the smoke that drifts in front of the n/v.

Over 700 foxes shot now with my 223, too many runners for my liking, in the next few months i will be going 243.

Dave (warbucks)

Re: Calibre question?

Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 17:02
by phoenix
Mini Magnum wrote:Heavier and longer barrel has a big impact also on felt recoil, what barrels on the .22-250 Bruce ?
Both the 22-250 and 243 have 20" barrels with DPT over barrel moderators fitted.

Cheers

Bruce

Re: Calibre question?

Posted: 10 Oct 2017, 18:25
by Wild-Boar
Both the 22-250 and 243 have 20" barrels with DPT over barrel moderators fitted.
In my opinion 20" is way to short. You cant get the potential of this cartridges out of short barrels. So you get a lot of unburned powder out of the muzzle. 22-250 needs more than 25"
both are known barrel killers.
In my opinion 222 is the best in the 22. calibre group and 223 isnt bad too.
I dont like 6mm cartridges.
For bigger game 6,5x55, 7x57 or 308 is nice, not for long range, but very nice to shoot out of short barrels.
If 223 dont kill and the foxes are running,than its the wrong bullet. Maybe this one is better http://lutzmoeller.net/1/5,6-mm/index.php

Cheers
Stefan