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Thermal dilemma

Postby CustomRifleScopesUK » 05 Oct 2017, 23:17

Looking for some thermal help guys,

I have been looking for a while now for a good thermal scope but cannot make my mind up, it will need to go on my 17 hornet or 1022 for ranges from 20 to 200 yards on any vermin, but rabbits being the main target.

My budget is around 4 grand but that doesn't mean i want to spent all that if i don't have to.

These are the scopes i have been looking at and wondered if anyone has used them or know if they are good enough, i have used thermal in the past but not these ones, so if you rate them tell me why, if you hate them tell me why and or list the best 3 you think ?

The Apex XQLRF50

http://www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk/puls ... ifle-scope



The Pulsar Trail XQ50

http://www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk/puls ... ifle-Scope



The TS870
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... c222DS7Rla

and yes i know its from china, thats where a lot of them come from, anyone tried one or know of anyone who has?



Clives WT1 75-3

http://www.nightvisionstore.co.uk/new-w ... 2x20547067

I like this but does it only have 1 type of crosshair ? and whats the dimentions + other functions as few specs are listed ?



LW007
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... a5d4NlRrWh

This little number from laserworks looks tidy in a small package but the mag looks low and pip is only x2, cool that you can add a screen + built in rangefinder, probably the same circuit as the one i sell



DT-42x
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... a5d4NlRrWh

Dont trust the stats on this one, low mag but can identify a man at 380m , similar to the 007 above



TORREY PINES T15
https://www.scottcountry.co.uk/thermal- ... 5-Thermal/

This one caught my eye as it is compact, has true optical zoom up to 8x but unsure what the other Optional 2x optical lens adaptor would do overall, low 160x120 pix, shame they dont do a better sensor, not seen any videos of it in action ?



ATN MARS HD 640 1.5-15X
http://bradfordstalker.co.uk/atn-mars-h ... ower-pack/
or
http://bradfordstalker.co.uk/atn-mars-h ... ower-pack/

I think they have the pictures mixed up though as the obj sizes dont match, i do like the ATN specs though !


So tell me what you think guys ?

CRS

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Re: Thermal dilemma

Postby Muskett » 06 Oct 2017, 21:41

A long list, but it seems that for practical use Clive's is the one people are going for.
Top end sensor and screen. Biggest lens in class, and minimum digi mag used to get to practical useful magnification. Digi magnification is a performance clarity killer, so lens physical start magnification is the important bit.

Others have chewed the numbers and thats the one that comes out on top, all compromises taken and best in class pieces. For this price point there are only so many base things to look out for whatever it says on the box. Seems Clive's does it.
Those that have them seem to give good reports and happy with the results.

No one is going to have looked through them all, well unlikely to have. The marketing really doesn't tell, nor the price, so decide whats important to you. Rifle scope its shoot at something like x9 mg for least digi enhancement to clarity and detail with some useful magnification to shoot some range. Which is why Clive's middle model beats his more expensive one, the later is clearer at lower mag but needs more digi enhancement to get to practical mag.
Lastly FOV is another thing to look out for. What can you live with?

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Re: Thermal dilemma

Postby CustomRifleScopesUK » 06 Oct 2017, 21:57

Thanks for your insight, I was edging towards the Pulsar trail XQ50 as it has the PIP and FOV within the same screen
One other i failed to mention was the Core FXQ50, i know your zooming in on a screen so cannot have high magnification but being able to switch rifles is very appealing !

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Re: Thermal dilemma

Postby Muskett » 06 Oct 2017, 22:36

My view is anything stuck in front of a scope generally has POI issues. Others might disagree but I know it takes tiny tiny changes at this end to get a shift. I wouldn't ever go there unless at bayonet ranges.

Trail is an accomplished piece of kit but:
Its start mag is 2.5. Clive's WT1 75-3 is 6. So to get to say x10 then Trail gets enhanced doubled and doubled again. Clive's just doubled. Clive's will be a whole lot sharper.
Screen is 640x480 and Clive's best in class at 800x600.
So for more bulk and wonga Clive's I would expect to give something like 1/3rd more effective range whatever that is. Clarity is a tricky issue as its heat clarity so thats bad enough without blowing out pixel clarity by magnifying it up. Clive's uses F1 lenses too.

Personally other toys like wifi and things don't aid raw performance so don't interest me; have them on the spotter if you like. I have nothing to do with Clive, nor do I own either unit...but I would like to.
Pulsar's spotter is getting the thumbs up, see threads.
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Re: Thermal dilemma

Postby AnthonyR » 07 Oct 2017, 15:20

Your not really comparing products that are direct comparisons here.

Clive's WT75-3 is 4k give or take and the Trail XQ50 is less than 3k, not sure about the others but I personally would not buy another Guide product after my recent experiences.

I have a Trail XQ50, I paid a lot less than 3k for it and I bought it not expecting to shoot foxes out to 300 yards, I still have my Drone Pro for that but it is more than good enough to shoot rabbits out to 200 yards, they are getting quite small at that distance but the picture in picture function really helps getting the cross-hairs in the right place. I am quite sure the WT75 is better but it is a lot more cash.

The Trail is light, very well laid out, has on board recording, and an un-rivaled battery system that really will last all night. Bear in mind that the nice QR mount that is in ALL the PR pictures for the Trail is not the actual one you get, it is an extra, wankers. I wanted a scope that I could use on an air rifle, rimfire and centre fire and to me this one fitted the bill.
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Re: Thermal dilemma

Postby Muskett » 07 Oct 2017, 16:16

Agreed, its more wonga as said. Just a good way to point out the reason the WT75-3 has the edge, even the edge over the more expensive WT75-6.

Thing is top kit is expensive and people have different budgets for their toys. For some its not a lot compared to their heavy machinery costs, or their 4x4. To others its massive.

My loyalty is to performance and my wallet; the latter has a fen spring trap on it at present.

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Re: Thermal dilemma

Postby Sussexsteve » 08 Oct 2017, 16:20

I use the Wt1 75-3. Out with a mate last night and his xp50. I had the xp38 and sold it within 3 weeks
The ward unit is the one to go for.

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Re: Thermal dilemma

Postby anthony » 09 Oct 2017, 15:51

i still haven't decided which Thermal to go for yet but you may have made my mind up for me
but its sham there's no one round by me with Thermal that i could try/ look through before i make my mind up
Theoben Rapid 7 Mk2 fac 30ftps 3-9x50 AG + AWT Silencer
Ruger 10-22 / Tasco 3-9x50 AG + Gen3 Dipol
CZ 17 HMR / Tasco 3-9x50 AG + PVS14
223 Sabbatti Lightweight sporter Nikon Monarch 3 4-16x50 SF + PVS14

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Re: Thermal dilemma

Postby Disco_GT3 » 09 Oct 2017, 17:46

anthony wrote:i still haven't decided which Thermal to go for yet but you may have made my mind up for me
but its sham there's no one round by me with Thermal that i could try/ look through before i make my mind up

Whereabouts in Oxfordshire are you, Anthony?

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Re: Thermal dilemma

Postby anthony » 10 Oct 2017, 08:20

about 3 miles from the center of oxford
Theoben Rapid 7 Mk2 fac 30ftps 3-9x50 AG + AWT Silencer
Ruger 10-22 / Tasco 3-9x50 AG + Gen3 Dipol
CZ 17 HMR / Tasco 3-9x50 AG + PVS14
223 Sabbatti Lightweight sporter Nikon Monarch 3 4-16x50 SF + PVS14


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