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US Military Kit

Post by Novice1 » 14 Apr 2018, 00:45

Just how far ahead are the likes of the unit in the link from the stuff available in the UK?

http://www.nivisys.com/en/uploads/UTAM- ... e-2017.pdf

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Re: US Military Kit

Post by bradleyhardacre » 14 Apr 2018, 07:13

Agree... light years ahead. I'll wager they wont export sell.

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Re: US Military Kit

Post by AnthonyR » 14 Apr 2018, 08:24

They are roughly the same specs as the Helion/Trail range but probably a lot more robust and a lot more expensive.

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Re: US Military Kit

Post by phoenix » 14 Apr 2018, 09:10

Novice1 wrote:
14 Apr 2018, 00:45
Just how far ahead are the likes of the unit in the link from the stuff available in the UK?

http://www.nivisys.com/en/uploads/UTAM- ... e-2017.pdf

The truth is - that bit of "military" kit has no better performance than the commercially available stuff from the likes of pulsar.
OK, it's in a roughy toughy housing to prevent the squaddies from breaking it too easily, but in terms of it's actual performance (detection, recognition, identification) it's no better than what we can buy in the UK.
Look at the specs - you get the choice of 17 micron sensors (324 x256 or 640x512) and a choice of lenses (19/35/50mm) and some come with LCD displays and some come with OLED displays
Pulsar give you a choice of 17 micron sensors (388x284 and 640x480), a choice of lenses (19/28/38/50) and they all come with OLED displays
There's absolutely nothing about these monoculars that ground breaking.
In fact the UTAM32 has been around since 2009!! https://www.ammoland.com/2009/07/new-th ... z5CdU1n88V


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Re: US Military Kit

Post by Novice1 » 14 Apr 2018, 10:35

Thanks. I thought it would be interesting to compare. Especially as there seems to be a perception that ITAR prevents us seeing the best stuff from the USA.

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Re: US Military Kit

Post by kelvinmost » 14 Apr 2018, 12:37

looks like "DIY military", they use PVS14 eyepiece, by far not the best option for a microdisplay viewfinder.

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Re: US Military Kit

Post by phoenix » 14 Apr 2018, 13:25

Novice1 wrote:
14 Apr 2018, 10:35
Thanks. I thought it would be interesting to compare. Especially as there seems to be a perception that ITAR prevents us seeing the best stuff from the USA.
ITAR does indeed prevent us from getting the best thermals sold in the USA - in fact any thermal manufactured/sold in the USA with a refresh rate of more than 9Hz is ITAR controlled.
That's why all the best FLIR/Armasight kit in unavailable in the UK.
However, Pulsar is manufactured in Eastern Europe, the Ward WT thermals are manufactured in China and the ATN, although an American company actually has their thermals are manufactured in China.
ITAR is not a factor in these countries and they are happy to sell their products in the UK.
Thermal is rapidly becoming a mainstream technology, in the same way as digital cameras have become a mainstream technology.
When that happens, the market, rather than the military, drive progress and us consumers are the main beneficiaries.

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Re: US Military Kit

Post by PEterW » 14 Apr 2018, 13:59

The big US thermal companies responded to an export review by arguing that their inability to export meant they had less money for R&D and that other countries had stuff that was virtually the same spec. There might be some ITAR changes to thermal, but I couldn’t decypher the official document.

Peter

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Re: US Military Kit

Post by phoenix » 14 Apr 2018, 14:55

I actually have some sympathy for the big US thermal companies in this matter.
Their own countries' regulations are putting a constraint on their ability to trade worldwide while their non US competitors have no such restrictions - and both groups are selling kit with the same capabilities.
Peter - do you have a link to the document?

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Re: US Military Kit

Post by Novice1 » 14 Apr 2018, 16:01

I've got my fingers crossed that a the thermal breakthrough equivalent to the Yukon photon is just around the corner in terms of cost v performance. Holding onto my pennies for now!

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