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Re: US Military Kit

Post by sunndog » 14 Apr 2018, 16:48

Cant see the price of thermal spotters dropping any time soon. They seem to be selling them hand over fist so why would they?
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http://nightvisionforumuk.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2333

when asking for advice, please include what n.v device and/or illumination you already have (if any) and what rifles you intend to use them on...cheers

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Re: US Military Kit

Post by PEterW » 14 Apr 2018, 17:32

Links for official docs.

https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/FR/2017/82FR4226.pdf

The full Comments
https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/licensing/ ... mments.pdf

Latest category xii
https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/FR/2016/81FR70340.pdf

Yukon?? The next change is to 12um Sensor’s that allow the use of smaller and cheaper lenses. Seek Thermal use molded chalcogenide lenses which are easier to make, but I am not sure the size they can make. Ulis released their 12um Sensor’s last year and have just announced the 640pixel version, with production ramps in the next few quarters, so maybe autumn or next spring… should have saved up enough by then…. Depends how much they’ll sell for.

Peter

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Re: US Military Kit

Post by Novice1 » 14 Apr 2018, 22:32

PEterW wrote:
14 Apr 2018, 17:32
Links for official docs.

https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/FR/2017/82FR4226.pdf

The full Comments
https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/licensing/ ... mments.pdf

Latest category xii
https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/FR/2016/81FR70340.pdf

Yukon?? The next change is to 12um Sensor’s that allow the use of smaller and cheaper lenses. Seek Thermal use molded chalcogenide lenses which are easier to make, but I am not sure the size they can make. Ulis released their 12um Sensor’s last year and have just announced the 640pixel version, with production ramps in the next few quarters, so maybe autumn or next spring… should have saved up enough by then…. Depends how much they’ll sell for.

Peter
Sounds promising. As ever with technology, the drive appears to be towards better performance for less cost. Just look at things like tvs, computers, DVD players.

I'd expect the next 18 months to 2 years to involve a tipping point where the price does drop significantly. Hopefully very good performance for sub 1k. I don't know enough about the component costs to know whether they would ever get to sub £500.

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Re: US Military Kit

Post by ucanthide » 15 Apr 2018, 07:16

The L3 Warrior Systems night vision equipment from Thomas Jacks is restricted by ITAR also, even the technical specifications are not put on the website due to ITAR. I asked the bloke at Thomas Jack's military department and he told me it was due to ITAR and the US trying to stop their enemies having the same NV capabilities etc, which is all crap, if their enemies can get guns and rocket launchers Im sure they can find a way of getting thermal imagers. Anyway, judging by the specs of the TWS that has been used by US troops for years, their handheld kit is no better than civilian kit. Plus, the whole idea of ITAR is nonsense unless all NATO countries do the same, as Bruce said, European countries can sell same level of kit or better to anyone. The Photonis NV tubes are an example, and Pulsar.

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