All over now, just got to wait and see !

[rodp]

As a disillusioned tory voter I went with UKIP in full knowledge that although they would not get any power they would give a massive slap to the others for not standing up for GB LTD as much as I want them to.

I think its fair to say the slapping has had an effect and the first salvo of scrapping the human rights of foreign scumbags have been fired. Hopefully more of what Europe has dumped on us will be fecked out too now that Conservatives have a free hand.

Well said mate I am with you all the way. As for the polls being wrong I am inclined to believe they were probably right but like the earlier post many people bottled it and voted tory as a result of the threats from Sturgeon just prior to the poll in the very real fear that labour would be forced to join them.

I think that without any doubt you're right there Eric, I was one of them. Thank God so many did change their mind at the last minute.
Have you thought how many of this new wave of immigrants we would have had on their way with SNP's open door immigration policy Even some of UKIP's own members were suggesting it was the right thing to do.

The big question remains though .......... Why did the SNP make such a big thing of their intentions to rule labour and bring in policies that would ruin England ??? Sturgeon's not dumb, she knew we would vote them out of the equation, so what's the ulterior motive ?

[Radagast]

Minor parties 'succeed', keep their membership, gain votes when they are seen to have the final say on one subject. Conservation, gay marriage, guns, conservation of gay marriage at gun point, it doesn't matter. If they get to make the call on one subject, they are considered successful, no matter how outlandish or destructive their other policies are.

SNP got their referendum. They lost, but they can blame that on the vast right wing conspiracy. So they are 'successful'. So people will vote for them,as long as they keep riding that policy. If that destroys Labor and prevents any further economic gains for Scotland, so what? A bunch of SNP hacks now have their snouts in the trough at Westminster, and that's the real goal.

[rodp]

I thought about the snouts in the trough but it seems a long winded way of making money. There's more to it than that, could be tied up with the land reform or something. We'll have to wait and see, but something big will happen.
It may just be a way of getting the independence through, and that COULD make a lot of folk wealthy, very wealthy, obviously at the expense of the working class up there. For the sort of money that could be fiddled with independence then it would be worth all this effort, there would be enough to share around all the people that would be part of, what effectively would be, a dictatorship.

[Radagast]

We have a Stalinist who was elected as a Senator at both State & Federal levels. She will collect two parliamentary pensions when she retires. Don't discount self interest. They will justify it in many ways,but being paid to implement ones ideology is the ultimate goal of the non-producing classes.

An old Labor minister here described it well:
When I joined the Labor Party, it contained the cream of the working class. But as I look about me now all I see are the dregs of the middle class. And what I want to know is when you middle class perverts are going to stop using the Labor Party as a spiritual spitoon."

And a failed Labor leader:
“The chattering class is drawn from among the tertiary-educated middle class whose members have gone to university since the 1960s, where they imbibed the social causes of feminism, multiculturalism, environmentalism and the like, which their counter-culture lecturers had imported from America. They now occupy many of the senior positions in politics, the ABC and SBS, universities, schools, government departments and agencies, courts, anti-discrimination and other such boards and non-government organisations, and also in the private, non-traded-goods sector (e.g. journalists and human resource management)

[rodp]

You could well be right, it could just be the self interest of a few. But the few who stand to gain already have their self interests well covered !
I still think there's either more folk involved (in the background) or a much larger target in mind for the few. We've not heard the last of the snp, unless Cameron / others get a grip and kill them off.

The simple answer would be to grant Scotland independence, and cut off funding from the rest of the UK. SNP would collapse when Scotland went bust and the memory of them would last eternal. Oil wouldn't support them, and anyway the means of getting the oil is owned by international companies, not Scotland.

I know of one largish Scottish company who's MD told me personally that if Scotland went independent he would immediately move over the border. If that's his train of thought then just how many other companies would follow ?

SNP would have a lot to answer for within a very short time !

[Radagast]

A comment by a Scottish-Aussie oil exec:
"I've met Alex Salmond a few times. He's a greasy little turd of the first order, a mindless prat bordering on being a racist."

If that's the leadership quality, then I expect the followers to be equivalent or lesser.

That said, an outside interest trying to break the Union through manipulating useful idiots is a possibility.

[rodp]

A comment by a Scottish-Aussie oil exec:
"I've met Alex Salmond a few times. He's a greasy little turd of the first order, a mindless prat bordering on being a racist."

If that's the leadership quality, then I expect the followers to be equivalent or lesser.

That said, an outside interest trying to break the Union through manipulating useful idiots is a possibility.

That thought has crossed my mind a few times, but I can't think of anyone in who's interests it would be beneficial, apart from ................. The EU ................. as a front for Germany..
Perhaps it's all to do with the promised referendum, break the union and break the vote It would also give a lot of well paid jobs, and pensions, to the snp mob, far more than they have now. That would be worth the hassle to them.

Time will tell but one thing you can absolutely guarantee, even if the snp were proven to be acting in their own self interests as against the countries, no heads would roll at all
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Having said all that, it still doesn't answer my original question of, why would the snp go to all the trouble of gaining votes and then go and blow it by bragging about what they were going to do to the English ?

It's almost as if they didn't want to go in to power with labour. Perhaps they think they can do more damage to the Tories by back stabbing from the benches instead of the Tories being able to do it to them

[phoenix]

Guys,
I think you may be over analysing the "personal financial gain" thing.
The sad truth is that at it's core, the SNP is NOT a party that is pro Scottish, it's a party that's anti English.
All of the people in senior positions in the SNP and many of it's foot soldiers have a deep and undying hatred for anything and anybody English.
As a patriotic Scot AND a patriotic Brit, I am continually sickened and embarrassed by this attitude of too many of my fellow countrymen and women.
For the SNP, a (hated) conservative government in Westminster enhances (in their view) their chances of winning independence in a second referendum, so screwing up Labours' chances in England by scaring English voters was a pretty smart ploy.
Like virtually all socialists, they live in an economic fantasy land and that could be seen from their economic forecasts for an independent Scotland which they trumpeted before the referendum.
Just to give an example: they based the single largest part of their income (oil revenues) at a "conservative" price of $118 per barrel - it's now around $60 per barrel
They are idealogically wedded to the idea of Scotland being an independent country irrespective of how rich or poor it's citizens become.
They would take us back 350 years to the days when, in England, people fed oats to their horses, while in Scotland, oats were the staple diet of all but the rich.

Rant over

Cheers

Bruce

[rodp]

You could well be right Bruce, in fact, you probably are. That assumption would make it all slot into place.

I must admit, as a person who was brought up to believe we were all one nation, just different counties virtually, the idea of such hatred for a different part of the same country hadn't really sunk in. To me, Wales, Scotland, Ireland etc, etc was all one country.
Such a shame that the outspoken few want to destroy it all.


Look on the bright side Bruce, if it all comes off we'll send you some food parcels

[hibbydunk]

Well put Bruce I was going to say the same thing, well more or less.