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ok its an emotional topic & certain people may be involved , i for 1 will stand up to say i dont agree with it , im a countryman brought up farming also gamekeeping ,but im sorry old brock is part of our countryside & i cant see the point of knocking off brock here & there it just wont work to keep tb down theres only 11 pr cent of them supposedly got tb that leaves 89 pr cent innocent ,not great odds is it , my shoot has several big old setts on it the badgers have all been tested theres no tb ,yet the surrounding farms have tb on, the badgers, its been like that for yrs ,the ministry man says leave them alone then the others wont move in & bring the disease ,i know all about badgers as being a terrier man all my life not saying i had anything to do with them, but i know enough to know theres now more than ever , my phone never used to stop ringing with farmers complaining about them ,even though they were sheep farmers or arable farmers no dairy cattle involved ,is it just a hatred or fear of them .all i can say it will be a sad day when the cull starts a lot of badgers will be culled for no sense at all ,, any mods pull this if its not suitable ,but i reckon most country men .shooters hunters wont agree with this cull just my opinion lads each to there own

wiseoldowl wrote:ok its an emotional topic & certain people may be involved , i for 1 will stand up to say i dont agree with it , im a countryman brought up farming also gamekeeping ,but im sorry old brock is part of our countryside & i cant see the point of knocking off brock here & there it just wont work to keep tb down theres only 11 pr cent of them supposedly got tb that leaves 89 pr cent innocent ,not great odds is it , my shoot has several big old setts on it the badgers have all been tested theres no tb ,yet the surrounding farms have tb on, the badgers, its been like that for yrs ,the ministry man says leave them alone then the others wont move in & bring the disease ,i know all about badgers as being a terrier man all my life not saying i had anything to do with them, but i know enough to know theres now more than ever , my phone never used to stop ringing with farmers complaining about them ,even though they were sheep farmers or arable farmers no dairy cattle involved ,is it just a hatred or fear of them .all i can say it will be a sad day when the cull starts a lot of badgers will be culled for no sense at all ,, any mods pull this if its not suitable ,but i reckon most country men .shooters hunters wont agree with this cull just my opinion lads each to there own

Genuine question here, what's the alternative way of reducing TB then ? It costs millions of pounds so something has to be done, and it has to be done cost effectively, so what do we do ??

rodp wrote:

wiseoldowl wrote:ok its an emotional topic & certain people may be involved , i for 1 will stand up to say i dont agree with it , im a countryman brought up farming also gamekeeping ,but im sorry old brock is part of our countryside & i cant see the point of knocking off brock here & there it just wont work to keep tb down theres only 11 pr cent of them supposedly got tb that leaves 89 pr cent innocent ,not great odds is it , my shoot has several big old setts on it the badgers have all been tested theres no tb ,yet the surrounding farms have tb on, the badgers, its been like that for yrs ,the ministry man says leave them alone then the others wont move in & bring the disease ,i know all about badgers as being a terrier man all my life not saying i had anything to do with them, but i know enough to know theres now more than ever , my phone never used to stop ringing with farmers complaining about them ,even though they were sheep farmers or arable farmers no dairy cattle involved ,is it just a hatred or fear of them .all i can say it will be a sad day when the cull starts a lot of badgers will be culled for no sense at all ,, any mods pull this if its not suitable ,but i reckon most country men .shooters hunters wont agree with this cull just my opinion lads each to there own

Genuine question here, what's the alternative way of reducing TB then ? It costs millions of pounds so something has to be done, and it has to be done cost effectively, so what do we do ??

I know nothing about the subject but is there no way the cattle can be given something to make them immune to it ?

From what I know, which is only what I've read, they cannot be given anything as it then enters the food chain.

rodp wrote:From what I know, which is only what I've read, they cannot be given anything as it then enters the food chain.

Oh yes that makes sense

jdk1 wrote:

rodp wrote:

wiseoldowl wrote:ok its an emotional topic & certain people may be involved , i for 1 will stand up to say i dont agree with it , im a countryman brought up farming also gamekeeping ,but im sorry old brock is part of our countryside & i cant see the point of knocking off brock here & there it just wont work to keep tb down theres only 11 pr cent of them supposedly got tb that leaves 89 pr cent innocent ,not great odds is it , my shoot has several big old setts on it the badgers have all been tested theres no tb ,yet the surrounding farms have tb on, the badgers, its been like that for yrs ,the ministry man says leave them alone then the others wont move in & bring the disease ,i know all about badgers as being a terrier man all my life not saying i had anything to do with them, but i know enough to know theres now more than ever , my phone never used to stop ringing with farmers complaining about them ,even though they were sheep farmers or arable farmers no dairy cattle involved ,is it just a hatred or fear of them .all i can say it will be a sad day when the cull starts a lot of badgers will be culled for no sense at all ,, any mods pull this if its not suitable ,but i reckon most country men .shooters hunters wont agree with this cull just my opinion lads each to there own

yes a 308, that stops the tb dead


Genuine question here, what's the alternative way of reducing TB then ? It costs millions of pounds so something has to be done, and it has to be done cost effectively, so what do we do ??

I know nothing about the subject but is there no way the cattle can be given something to make them immune to it ?

yes a 308, that stops the tb dead

just a load will be culled to appease the farming community & nothing will change except the public will have hatred for the farmers & government for a futile exercise , culling is NOT the way forward ,if any area has tb surely its better to gas the setts & completely fill then in so they can never be reused ?

wiseoldowl wrote:just a load will be culled to appease the farming community & nothing will change except the public will have hatred for the farmers & government for a futile exercise , culling is NOT the way forward ,if any area has tb surely its better to gas the setts & completely fill then in so they can never be reused ?

i was talking about the 120 head of cattle that had to be destroyed
because of TB not the badgers

you probably get a better response on Brian Mays help badger forum

than you would here

wiseoldowl wrote:just a load will be culled to appease the farming community & nothing will change except the public will have hatred for the farmers & government for a futile exercise , culling is NOT the way forward ,if any area has tb surely its better to gas the setts & completely fill then in so they can never be reused ?

I thought the culls were pilot schemes? e.g. to assess the effctivness of culling as a tool to combat TB. I think they'd be reluctent to gas setts in case they nailed any non target species also using the holes as that would be a legal nightmare if it was shown that another red listed species not been targeted had been effected as a direct result of the culls.

Ed

I think it will be interesting to see the effect that any culling has on the populations of other species in these pilot areas, such as waders and other ground nesting birds along with our native bees as well. I think that ultimately any findings that come from this area of research will have just as big an impact as the effectiveness of culling as a tool for curbing TB.